NOSTRADAMUS

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Nostradamus has mostly been  wrong. His dated prophesies are the real litmus test and are as follows:
Year: Quatrain: Prediction:
1580 6-2    :]   After civil war ended in 1580 France gloomy.
1607 8-71    :(   A failure, no Inquisition of astrologers 1607.
1607 of the liturgy 6-54   :(    Liturgy or not, a clear failure, no event inTunis.
1609 10-91   :(    No papal-election: Paul V. was pope 1605-21!
1660 X-100   :|     From 1661French King Louis XIV rules supreme.
1700 1-49   :(    No Turkish advance: in 1699-1700 retreat!
1703 6-2   :]    1703 King Louis XIV wins Spanish Succession War.
1727  October 3-77   :(    No Egypt capture of Persian ruler in 1727!
1732  22nd of June Preface   :(    No wipe out of human race: from 1713 on peace!
1792 Epistle    :(   Persecution began rather than ended in 1792.
1999  7th month 10-72   :]  Apocalypse from heaven, meteors, WW3? WTC 2001?
3797 Preface   ?   Predictions valid 2242 years ahead to 3797?

As the list indicate, Nostradamus´ prophesies really petered out after the French Revolution and French emperors, and the 1999 date could be a pretense that his prophesies really have a larger scope. Nostradamus often resorted to tricks and numerology, and for good measure might have added his version of a end-of-millennium-Armageddon. The year 3797 mentioned was as absurd and far-flung as Bishop Ushers date of creation being 4004 B.C.

As time has passed we now know that more than 90% of Nostradamus´ all too numerous prophesies (maybe 5000 events) will never happen. On the other hand Nostradamus has missed an endless row of events that did happen. His barrage of bland predictions are multiplied by ambiguity and sheer nonsense, and thus there were bound to be "surprising" hits. But often we are not certain whether to credit Nostradamus or his interpreter. Or his translator as most of the texts are distorted to fit the prediction: one cannot really trust anything without seeing the original text together with the translation.

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Nostradamus´ Greatest Hits:

English translation of  1-35:-                                         Original french text of 1-35:-

The young lion will overcome the old one Le lion jeune le vieux surmontera
On the field of battle in single combat En champ bellique par singulier duel:
He will put out his eyes in a cage of gold Dans caige d´or les eyeux lui crevera,
Two fleets one, then to die a cruel death Deux classes une, puis mourir, mort cruelle.

This is the prediction that "made" Nostradamus, who until then had no high reputation as a prophet. Strictly speaking not a word was true, but the impression was that of a hit. Nostradamus had seemingly predicted that his King Henry II age 40 would die in a duel with the only 6 years younger Montgomery in 1559. That the king should then be mentioned as the older one does sound a bit awkward. A more serious fault was the none of them had lions as emblems, as later interpreters have claimed. Also the king´s helmet was neither golden nor gilded. Further "classes" means fleets not wounds. Finally a tournament is not "the field of battle". The literal bulls-eye seems a bit out of focus.

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English translation of  8-37:-                                         Original french text 8-37:- :-

The fortress near the Thames La forteresse auprès de la Thamise
Will fall when the King is locked up within: Cherra par lors le Roi dedans serré:
Near the bridge in his shirt will be seen Auprés du pont sera vu en chemise
One confronting the death, then barred in the fort. Un devant mort, puis puis dans le fort barré.

This is a close hit it seems of the beheading of King Charles the 1st of England in 1649 clad in a white shirt. It is often seen together with Q.9-49 "The Senate of London will put to death their King." But Nostradamus prediction was maybe an educated guess rather than a real prediction: a fatal confrontation with the Parliament was foreseeable and Nostradamus was contemporary of Henry the 8th who executed his wives en masse. Royal heads were rolling and Tower was known for torture and death. That a beheading would take place under those circumstances is no mystery. That King Charles the 1st would be stripped of his royal dress and meet his death in underwear (as a shirt was considered in those days) is natural; also that a royal would be decapitated rather than hanged. Alas the nearby Westminster bridge was not built until about 1750; the only bridge at the time was London Bridge 2 miles away. Close, but not close enough.

So what about the fire of London in 1666 prophesied (Q.2-51) with "twenty threes plus six" being 66? Rather it was a mistaken prophesy about the return of Protestantism in England in 1566. The Quatrain 2-53 prediction of pestilence could refer to the Great Plague of 1665 as popular interpretation has it or it could be in the 1560´es of England. London was hit by plagues in 1563, 1593, 1603, 1625, 1636, and 1665, so choose yourself.

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English translation of  9-20:-                                         Original french text 9-20:-

By night will come through the forest of "Reines", De nuit viendra par la forét de Reines
2 couples roundabout route Queen the white stone, Deux pars voltorte Herne la pierre blance
The monk king in gray in Varennes: Le Moine noir et gris dedans Varennes:
Elected Capet causes tempest, fire, blood, slice. Élu cap. cause tempête, feu, sang, trance.

This is a vaguely corrrect description of the flight of the French royal couple in 1791, but line 4 is a showstopper putting the royal Cap(ul)ets in the same line as the word slice, suggesting the guillotine. Here even Nostramus´ detractors are silent. On the French Revolution see also Q.1-3, 8-19, 9-17 and 9-34. Napoleon (8-1: PAU, NAY , OLERON) 1-6, 1-76 and 1-23. Intriguingly,"Mont Gaulfier"(Q.5-57) could be the Montgolfier brothers inventing the ballon in the 1790´es, the time Nostradamus actually refers to. His contemporary fellow-astrologer Maistre Turrel d´Autun actually outdid him predicting a revolution in the 25 years from 1789 to 1814.

In modern times the mentioning of 2 Spanish dictators Franco and Rivera in the same quatrain 9-16 left no doubt for interpreters from the 1930´es. But probably Nostradamus meant Castelfranco and Liguria (the Riviera). The same error was made in the 1940´es when Hister could only mean Hitler and not the Hister (Donau) which springs from Germany. But in Q.1-70 the fall of the Shah of Iran (monarch of Persia) is predicted, coming from France (the Ayatollah in Paris!), a most unusual and true prediction. Epistle (prediction 25)  mentions the 73 years and 7 months´ duration of a "New Babylon" which some interpreters applied to the Soviet Revolution which started about the 9th November 1917 and stopped about 19th August to 6th September 1991. An interpretation (from 1982!) by Fuchs states that Soviet rule would end 9th of June 1991, which is a remarkable feat on part of the interpreter if not Nostradamus or at least a close coincidence.

 

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Nostradamus Greatest Flop?: Prophesy Q.10-72:  7th month/SEPT 1999:

The year 1999, seventh month, L´an mil neuf cent nonante neuf sept mois,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror: Du ciel viendra un grand Roi d´effreyeur:
To bring back to life the great Mongol King, Ressuchiter le grand Roi d´Angelmois,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck. Avant aprés Mars regner par bonheur

This is the last dated prophesy of Michel Nostradamus. As with most of his prophesies the meaning is somewhat clouded. A straightforward  interpretation would be that a celestial body like a meteor will hit the the earth in the 7th month 1999 and cause terrible devastation. To make sense of line 3 one must regard the king of terror not from Angoumois in France, but rather a mongol King of Terror, who is of course Ghenghis Khan. Mars in the 4th line is the warrior god and could indicate a warlike situation, as an attack from Mars now can be ruled out.

But Nostradamus´  luck cannot be denied. The 11th "SEPT" 2001 the World Trade Center was hit "from the sky" by "a great King of Terror" which is a dead on description of Osama bin Laden. He is no Mongol, but was born in Saudi Arabia and from 1996  resided in Afghanistan, so Nostradamus maybe meant an eastern barbarian in general. ( Is Samarobryn (Q. 6.5) an anagram of Osama bin (Laden?)) A third World War is a faint possibility, but at least an American retaliation is underway. It is quite possible that Nostradamus meant the month of September and not the 7th month July, but it is generally held that he talked about 1999 and not  2001. Nostradamus´ proponents will no doubt explain this, just wait. [ Vbarbieri978@cs.com"Don't be so sure. Remember the Gregorian calendar 1999 is actually 2000 and the seventh month SEPT is actually September of the year 2001"]

Just as the skeptics thought they had put the last nail in the coffin of Nostradamus, he is resurrected by events. If Nostradamus could see into the future is unclear, but his predictions are a real phenomenon, it seems.

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Books: "Nostradamus Life and Literature", 1961/ "Nostradamus and his Prophesies" 1982, 823 pages by Edgar Leoni, Bell Publishing  [ Highly recommended. Neutral and thorough account. This site is largely built on this book.]. "Nostradamus" by Eberhard Fuchs: 1982 Moewig Verlag/Bogan 107 pages. "Visions and prophesies", Time-Life 1989.  Damon Wilson: Nostradamus and other Prophets" 1999 [Pro-Nostradamus book] .  133 other Nostradamus Books Yahoo!    and 11 Videos: Yahoo! *

Links: Complete texts of Nostradamus:  http://esoterism.com/nostradamus/somcent2.htm

A Brief History of the Apocalypse: www.chrisnelson.net

NY WTC HOAX: http://www.urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa091101b.htm

YAHOO NOSTRADAMUS: http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Nostradamus

YAHOO NEWS ABOUT NOSTRADAMUS: http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22nostradamus+%22&n=10&c=news

Air crashes from 1975 to 2001 of civilian airplanes.

Disasters in the air  at sea, and on the earth.

20th century-history lists World Wars, Holocausts, etc.


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E-mails to net@io.dk:-

[MY COMMENTS IN THESE BRACKETS. I´M NO PROPHET, AND I DOUBT THAT NOSTRADAMUS IS ONE.   I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT HIS PREDICTIONS HAVE WORKED AS  AN UNIQUE  PRACTICAL JOKE THAT HAVE ENDURED THROUGH 4½ CENTURIES.   YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR HIM LAUGHING THROUGH HIS BEARD.

IN ABOVE TEXTS I HAVE CONCENTRATED ON HIS DATED PROPHESIES AS OTHERWISE WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF HIS INTERPRETERS AND END UP IN A WORLD OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS.  

SOME PEOPLE CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE,  BUT THE JURY IS OUT WHETHER NOSTRADAMUS COULD.   IN FACT IT WILL NEVER BE PROVED THAT NOSTRADAMUS' BRILLIANT PREDICTION-MACHINE IS A FAKE: NEW EVENTS WILL KEEP INTEREST FLARING UP AND WE WILL ALL DANCE TO HIS PIPE REGARDLESS IF WE ARE FOR OR AGAINST.]

 

NY WTC SEPT 2001 and WW3-prediction?

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Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:41:23 -0000
From:
Eastman Michael Lt Col 734AEG/DO <michael.eastman@ andersen.af.mil>

Loved what I read of your site. However, your gray on gray scheme is
extraordinarily painful--any thought about changing to something easier? I
predict you'll change and that I'll be back!

[Your prediction has come true. The stylish gray-in-gray letters have been replaced by a very readable, black, somewhat ugly font.]

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Year 1999, seventh month
Date:
Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:56:16 -0400
From:
cmm <vze2p9y7@ verizon.net>


>From the sky, will come a great King of Terror

Osama bin Laden is a leo, born in July. the seventh month. King of
Terror refers to a leo- the Nemean Lion (greek mythology) who went about
the country side terrorizing all who lived there. Once again- Osama bin
Laden.

To bring back the life of the Great Mongol King - Ghengis Khan. He
conqured Afghanistan and ruled afghanistan. Like what Osama bin Laden
is attempting, or thinks he has already done - bringing back Afghanistan
like Ghengis Khan did?

Before and after Mars to reign by good luck - Maybe this refers to the
Taliban. War warriors. Or the planetary line up of the sun during the
tragedies or something like that. Leo is ruled by the sun. Osama bin
Laden was a leader before and after the Taliban. The Taliban protects
him, so he still leads so far - by good luck. ( He was also a war
warrior/leader before and after the war with Russia) How about
Mullah Mohammad Omar? Leader of the Taliban who lived by good luck ( he
wasn't bombed because he left before the bombs hit the residence in
which his two relatives died) thus, he still protects bin Laden.
Anyway, when was Mohammad Omar born? He is a shady character. And,
good luck runs out.

 

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It's human nature
Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:09:29 -0400
From:
"ERIC KOPP" <EKOPP@cfl.rr.com>


I spent a little time reading what all everyone had to say... first of all loved your site, secondly... I
do believe in the abilities and presence of prophets.. however I think N did what he set out to do..
he confused even us today. Most people will get from his writings whatever they may want...

Chaos

p.s. someone showed me something the other day after the WTC attack.. was wondering what
type of connection you could come up with for me. If you select the font in any text editor as
WINDINGS and set your cap-lock on, type in Q33 NYC and you get something interesting ...
Q33 NYC
any help on what Q33 could be?

[ANOTHER URBAN-LEGEND HAS "Q33 NY" AS THE FLIGHT NUMBER AF ONE OF THE AIRPLANES, A SLIGHTLY SICK BUT CLEVER JOKE]

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just a lark
Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:08:55 -0700
David <tat2dog@pos toffice.pacbell.net>
Reply-To:
tat2dog@pacbe ll.net
Organization:
Pacific Bell Internet Services

Some interpreters of the verse think that Nostradamus might not have
meant July by “seventh month.” Nostradamus wrote in his native French,
the first verse being: L’an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois.
“Sept” means seven in French, but maybe Nostradamus was being cryptic
and was alluding to the month of September... just to throw us off,
perhaps. Another thing to consider is that While N predicts a third
world war, It's not the end of the world, He goes onto predict many more
future millenia. So many coincidences it's fascinating really.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
From:
Tiffany Sue <queenakasha01@y ahoo.com>

P.S. to my resent email, I find it all the different
perspectives and views on your site really interesting
and intriguing. It's nice to find a non-biased site.

Thanks again.

Sincerely,
Tiffany

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significance of date
Date:
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:50:24 +0100
From:
Diarmuid.Scully@snn.ie .sykes.com

All of Bin laden's attacks have occured on dates that are significant to him.
September 11th 2001 was the 80th anniversary of the establishment of the
British mandate in Palestine (September 11th 1921). The British had
promised the Arabs their independence if they fought on the Allied side in
World War 1 (Lawrence of Arabia and all that). The establishment of British
Palestine was the final betrayal of that promise. Instead of giving the
Arabs there freedom, Britain seized Palestine for itself, and declared it
the "Jewish national home". That is why Bin Laden picked this date. He is
trying to justify his crime by linking it to the betrayal by the British
government of their Arab allies in 1921. Nothing to do with a long dead
French prophet - but a lot to do with a highly intelligent, evil and twisted
man who is very much alive.

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Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:45:10 -0700
"Martin, Scott" <Scott.Martin@ miramax.com>

.... Enjoyed your sight as it
was the first I found that had side by side comparisons.

SDM

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Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:30:42 EDT
From: Vbarbieri978@ cs.com
net@io.dk


Don't be so sure. Remember the Gregorian calendar 1999 is actually 2000 and
the seventh month SEPT is actually September of the year 2001

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Sept 200
Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:22:16 -0400
"James" <tbecke1@ home.com>

The oldest calendar, calculated in the Eastern world in ancient times, had 10 months, not 12. "sept" means "seven", and in the 10 month calendar, September was the seventh month. This is why September is named as such.

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WTC Through the Mist
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:52:31
"Don Machado" <machado@  astound.net>

In N. epistle to Henry II:

"...The Antichrist returns for the last time...
All the Christians and infidel nations will tremble...
for the space of twenty-five years.
Wars and battles will be more grievous than ever.
Towns, cities, citadels and other structures will be destroyed...
So many evils by Satan's prince will be committed that
almost the entire world will find itself undone and desolated.
Before these events many rare birds will cry in the air.
NOW! NOW! and sometime later will vanish."

The meanings are clearer now. Both the Christian and Muslim nations are trembling.
Structures are being destroyed.
The rare birds are the planes that sound the two explosions and then vanish.

Do you think the Q. below is about P.Diana?

CVI Q74
She who was cast out will return to reign,
her enemies found among conspirators.
More than ever will her reign be triumphant.
At three and seventy death is very sure.

N. did play tricks with numbers but did leave us clues. Will we be smart enough to find them.

T.

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WTC SEPT 2001 prediction?
Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:27:11 -0700
From:
Derek Ralston <Webmaster@  balletdancer.net>
To: net@io.dk


The person who posted, "Don't be so sure. Remember the Gregorian
calendar 1999 is actually 2000 and the seventh month SEPT is
actually September of the year 2001" was sure that they knew
what they were talking about, but is sadly mistaken. It seems
that they are trying to make some point about the JULIAN
calendar being different than the Gregorian calendar. The
problem is that in 1999, there was only 13 days difference
between the Gregorian and Julian calendars. It makes for a nice
myth, but as with all that has to do with Nostradamus, it pales
in the light of fact

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Two twin brothers will fall
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:52:35 EDT
From: RLadie@  aol.com
To: net@io.dk


Today there was a quote on the news by Nostradamus. I can't remember it all but it went something like this two twin brothers
will fall they will burn and crumble to the ground kill masses of people, If you know the entire quote can you please email me with it or tell how to find. thank you. Roadie
[IT WAS A HOAX MADE IN THE 1990és]

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Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:42:36 +0530
From: "rishi" <rishi2112@  hotmail.com>
To: <net@io.dk>
what predictions did nosteradamus made for world war 3
and after that
[NOSTRADAMUS PROBABLY DID NOT FORESEE WW3 (Q. 10-72 WAS THE CLOSEST HE GOT) AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THIS WAR]

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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:35:25 -0400
From: "j k" <timesequence@ hotmail.com>
To: net@io.dk

these are the real quantrains of nostradamus ,to the extent of his accuracy
,one can only guess , but the mind must also wonder

The New City

Century 1, Quatrain 24 - In French Translation in English:
A cité neuue pensif pour condemner, The new city contemplating a condemnation,
L'oisel de proye au ciel se vient offrir: The bird of prey offers itself to the heavens.
Apres victoire à captifs pardonner, After victory pardon to the captives,
Cremone & Mantoue gras maux aura souffert. Cremona and Mantua will have suffered great evils.

 

Century 1, Quatrain 87 - In French Translation into English:
Ennosigee feu du centre de terre, Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
Fera trembler autour de cité neuue Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Deux gras rochers long têps feront la guerre, Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
Puis Arethuse rougira nouueau fleuue. And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

 

Century 6, Quatrain 97 - In French Translation into English:
Cinq & quarante degrés ciel bruslera At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue [neufue] Fire approaches the great new city,
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue. When they want to have verification from the Normans.

 

Century 9, Quatrain 92 - In French Translation into English:
Le Roy voudra en cité neufue entrer, The king will want to enter the new city,
Par ennemis expugner l'on viendra Through its enemies they will come to subdue it
Captif libere faux dire & perpetrer, Captives liberated to speak and act falsely,
Roy dehors estre, loin d'ennemis tiendra. King to be outside, he will keep far from the enemy.


Century 10, Quatrain 49 - In French Translation into English:
Jardin du monde aupres du cité neufue, Garden of the world near the new city,
Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees, In the path of the hollow mountains,
Sera saisi et plongé dans la Cuue, It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Beuuant par force eaux soulfre enuenimees. Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.


please also see

9news.com/newsroom13294.htm

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city of god
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:09:11 -0400
"Eric Sierra" <woebanger@ hotmail.com>


It does relate to New York because it is also called "Gotham", god's city

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NY WTC SEPT 2001 prediction
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:31:25 +1000From:
webweave <webweave@ isis.aust.com>

1999
1 plus 9 plus 9 plus 9 equals 28
2 plus 8 equals 10
10 reversed is 01 or 2001 because it is the next 01 after 1999
so september 2001
susanne

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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:12:33 -0700
"Marbie A. Patelona" <eibram@iligan. weblinq.com>


I am not a mathematics expert but im just wondering about the calculations that some mailers made regarding dates such as
1999, 2001, etc. Do these calculations follow some sort of valid mathematical expressions or laws or these are merely products of active imaginations?

Eibram

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c10:q72 date and WTC 2001
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:54:05 -0400 JohnStaahle@ netscape.net (John Staahle)


On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:30:42 EDT
Vbarbieri978@cs.com wrote:

>Don't be so sure. Remember the Gregorian calendar 1999 is actually 2000 and
>the seventh month SEPT is actually September of the year 2001

No.
We are refering to the christian calendar based on the date of the birth of Jesus.
Jesus was 0 years old throughout the entire calendar year 1 - ought to be the year 0.
Jesus was 1 years old throughout the entire calendar year 2 - ought to be the year 1.
etc.
As a consequence the year 2000 is actually 1999, not 2001 - you *subtract from* - not add
to - the given year.

Using your way of reasoning about some sort of calender error, the "L'an mil neuf cens
nonante neuf Sept mois" is then sometime in *1998*.
Yoy might argue that it is to be understood as "the whole year plus n months", but that
will only bring us to 1999 - still not true, and not any closer than if your number in the
lottery is 12345 and the winner is 12343; do you win the great prize?

The month "Sept mois" is July but may be interpreted as September.

Regards, John

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What does 9/11 mean - just my opinion!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:56:49 -0400
From: "Jeff & Nancy Imonti" <jnimonti@  ttlc.net>
To: <net@io.dk>

It occurred to me on the awful day following the tragic events---
9/11 is short for our emergency code: "911". For one moment think like these barbaric people. We use "911" as our emergency code -
they really did cause the most catastrophic emergency in our nation's history. Think about it. Also, I believe in Nostradamus. I also
believe that too many people are adding their two cents into his translations and it is scaring alot of people who don't fully understand it.
Thank you for letting me voice my opinion.

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White Horse Email!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:41:56 -0500
From: "Nick" <njdepalma@mn.me diaone.net>

I am sure everyone has seen this e-mail floating around after Tuesday. Where the hell is there a reference to what was
written in the e-mail. "A man from the East will ride on a white horse and..." This passage states what his name is in some
other language, it even looks jumbled. When rearranged, it spells to the letter Osama Bin Laden. The entire passage is
preceded by the whole "two brothers will fall and the fortress will endure" stuff. Can this possibly be true or is it all a hoax to
scare people. Most importantly is the whole part about the name of Bin Laden true??
Nicholas J. DePalma
Marketing/Computer Science
University of St. Thomas
njdepalma@stt homas.edu

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nostradamus
Date:
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:29:33 +0200
From:
Bo Fibæk Sørensen <bofs@worldonline.dk>


here are some more for you all to play with


C1:Q87

Earthshaking fire from the centre of the earth
will cause tremors around the New City.
Two great rocks will war for a long time,
then Arethusa will redden a new river.


C2:Q6

Near the gates and within two cities
There will be two scourges the like of which was never seen,
Famine within plague, people put out by steel,
Crying to the great immortal God for relief


C2:Q35

The fire by night will take hold in two lodgings,
Several within suffocated and roasted.
It will happen near two rivers as one:
Sun, Sagittarius and Capricorn all will be reduced.


C2:Q53

The great plague of the maritime city
Will not cease until there be avenged the death
Of the just blood, condemned for a price without crime,
Of the great lady unwronged by pretense


C2:Q70

The dart from the sky will make its extension,
Deaths speaking: great execution.
The stone in the tree, the proud nation restored,
Noise, human monster, purge expiation.
and if you want more there is:2:79 2:91 2:92 3:13 4:08 4:18
5:65 6:37 6:97

i wonder if one of them shouldnt fit for anything

Bo

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Prophecies
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:51:50 +0200
From: "Roberta Cachia" <bertacac@  onvol.net>


Dear Sir,

Whilst reading your interesting article about NOSTRADAMUS and the WTC attack, I wondered how this person, with all due respect knew:

1.That in the future there's going to be a building named World Trade Centre.
[IT SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM FOR A REAL PROPHET]
2.Could it be that if the WTC prophecy was published in his books, the attackers of this building wanted to show the
World that NOSTRADAMUS was right in his prophecies.
3.If this is so that means that these people don't know who is GOD whom they call in their own language ALLAH.
4.No one must not forget that what these people do they do it in the name of ALLAH.
5.Finally what they have done they did it to the innocent people of the same ALLAH and it will be the same ALLAH who will pay them back for what they have done.

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Nostradamus Predictions
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:41:02 -0700
From: "lvbluebird" <lvbluebird lvcm.com>


I have read some of the e-mails about the Nostadamus predictions. Mark Covington was
correct when he said there was a video about the predictions. In fact, the show aired
on either HBO or Showtime sometime between the years 1982 and 1986. I still have
the video and will be viewing it within the next several days. The name of the show
was "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow" narrated by Orson Wells. It is a very interesting
show. Everyone should realize that Nostradamus was writing these events centuries
before they would ever happen. If he is off by a year or a couple of month, the fact
remains that he was very good at predicting what would happen.

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HOAX EMAILS
Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:28:26 EDT
From: Tvgator23@ aol.com


THE funniest thing about the hoax emails is that who ever made it had NO
idea what a Quatrain is......well a Quatrain rougly means....FOUR
LINES.....so all of nostradamus predictions come in 4 lines at a time...

In the seventh month of the new millenium,
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
two brothers torn apart by chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
the third great war will begin while the city burns.

TOTALLY FAKE....come on..if these guys are going to make it up atleast come
up with 4 lines!!!

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Ummmm...look at this
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:34:10 -0700
"Luz Enriquez" <SUPERCHICK228@  hotmail.com>

Ok, I was interested in all this information about Nostradamus, and I found this information on a
website" http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa070599.htm

and this is what it says: Hogue’s first
theory is that the “king of terror” is a PLO-trained Arab terrorist who will launch a war with Israel with nuclear or
chemical weapons. Just What if they meant BLO, not PLO...which rearranged, are Osana Bin Laden's initials:
BLO = OBL, I'm just saying, because that is a coincidence and the possibility is there. E-mail me back if you
have further info. Thanks
P.S I might be wrong!

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Quatrain C10:72
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:37:38 +1200
From: "Susan King" <suze@ voyager.co.nz>
To: <net@io.dk>


I have a copy of "Nostradamus - The Millenium & Beyond" by Peter Lorie published 1993 by Labarynth Publishing (UK) Ltd
which approaches the subject from a different angle. The author has interpreted it as leading to the death of the established
Catholic Church & the rising of new religious beliefs. I am interested but sceptical of prophesies and when I first read this book
during the latter part of 1999 (when nothing had happened) I thought, what a load of nonsense. What really led to my disbelief
was Lorie's interpretation of the line"Ressuciter le grand Roy d'Angoulmois". His feeling was that it referred to the fact
that Francis 1 of France 1515-1547 was also the Count of Angouleme & his courtier travelled to a newly discovered country (by
Colombus 32 years earlier) where he named an island Angouleme in honour of his king. This island was subsequently to be
renamed Manhattan Island! At the time I read this I really found it totally unlikely and unbelievable - who would approach
Manhattan for nefarious reasons? Now I find I am somewhat shaken. However I guess so many of these writings are open to
different interpretations, often to fit the circumstances. Along with other of your correspondants I believe the only absolute in
this life is faith and belief in God regardless of which creed you choose to reach His ultimate goodness. Faith at this time is
difficult to sustain but we must remember it was Man who did this awful thing not God.

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September 11
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:25:45 -0500
From: "American Toner" <atsales@ american-toner.com>



I don't know about Nostradamus but we have a daily devotional calendar for September 11th that is unbelievable. It states:

"That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day
of clouds and black.ness." Sephaniah 1:15

A coincidence?

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Nostradamus didn't make a mistake on July 1999
Date:
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:57:24 EDT


Hello,
I can explain the 7th month of 1999.
After researching history of that time, I discovered that that was the month
that the U.S. put sanctions on Afghanistan for harboring Bin Laden. Don't you
think this would have excalated his anger?
Also, during that time Mars (planet of war) was opposing Jupiter (planet of
expansion). Jupiter is also known as the happy planet. He mentions Mars being
happy.

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Just to give all the pessimists a pick up!
Date:
Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:53:08 +0100
From:
"Chris Millar" <chrismillar@beeb.net>

This is another of N.s Quatrain’s. X.83. what are people’s thoughts on this?


The signal to give battle will not be given,
They will be obliged to go out of the park:
The banner around Ghent will be recognized,
Of him who will cause all his followers to be put to death.

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Your website
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:03:40 EDT
From: JJohns7777@ aol.com

Sir:

I have just finished reading entries on your website concerning Nastrodamus. There is one quatraine that is mentioned
repeatedly, but I think most people are missing the actual meaning, if you believe in Nostrodamus. Century 9, quatrain 11.

Wrongly, they will come to put the just one to death
In public and in the middle extinguished
So great a pestilence will come to arise in the place
That the judges will forced to flee.

This quatrain appears to describe the assassination of Anwar Sadat. Osama Bin Laden believes the CIA was responsible for
that death. I heard one suggestion from Peter Jennings that the choice of Sept 11 might have been because it was the
anniversary of that day. I believe the result of that assassination was also the reason our government outlawed
assassinations.

John Johnson

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Actually....
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:49:30 -0500
From: "Kena Long-Jordan" <klongjordan 201808@ prodigy.net>
CC: <JaXa@j azzandjava.com>


Actually, I believe most professional sources attribute this fictional 'Two Brothers' quatrain to a man named Niel Marshall who was a student of Nostradamus' writings.
He, "Neil Marshall", wrote this 'Two brothers' quatrain as an example of how easy it is to 'read what you want to into'Nostradamus' predictions...eleven years ago...
Ok so you have one of TWO options here...
Either...
1> the Al Quai'da or whoever READ Neil Marshall's Quatrain and followed his 'false' prediction thus making it 'true'...
or.
2>no one read it, and Neil Marshall was actually a prophet himself.
[WELL, HE WAS A PROPHET OF SORTS, WASN´T HE?]

if number 2> is true, then um..people...he was spot on. Date and identification EVERYTHING and didn't even realize it.

however I tend towards number one...some Bin'Lad"ite" read this website, and mistook Niel Marshall's false quatrain as one of
Nostradamus' real ones.

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Nostradamus's prediction you wanted
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:18:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Gordon <therealicantbelieveitsnotbutter@ yahoo.com>

Nostradamus' prediction on WW3:
[ Q. 10-72? OR WHAT?]

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
>From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."

"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb

third big war will begin when the big city is burning"


- NOSTRADAMUS

He said this will be bigger than the previous two.
2001 is the first year of the new century and this is
the 9th month. New York is located at the 41st degree
Latitude.

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Rd Antichrist Mabus
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:22:43 -0700
RAUL A AGUILAR <peacevideo@ juno.com>

I had soon forgotten about Nostradamus until this evil act of terrorism.
For the past 23 years I had followed his predictions from various books.
He speaks about a Mabus. As a student in high school, my friends would
have discussions on this matter. It would leave us wondering about the
identity of this Ma bus. It was only until one day in the spring on 1984
that I solved this mystery. I had left one of my books on Nostradamus
on my dresser (a mirror connected to the back). I had the book opened
to the quatrain about Mabus. The word Mabus was highlighted in yellow
and caught my eye for a moment. As I looked at the word Mabus, it was
reversed and spelled out Sudam. The Letter b in the mirror reflects back
as the letter d. As the time I did not know who was Sudam but it was a
middle eastern name and made sense to the other references to the middle
east, as well as, the Antichrist. Please send me input on this, as
well as,
Century 2: 62 that refers to mabus death
N

 

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Nostradamus' prediction:
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:56:54 -0500
From: "MICHAEL/RUTH BEECHEM" <BEECHEMS@ prodigy.net>


Any truth to this one being spread via e-mail on the internet?

Nostradamus' prediction:

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
>From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- NOSTRADAMUS

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King of Terror interpretation
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:14:21 -0600
From: "Brian Bauer" <brians@ wic.ne t

I think the 7th month 1999 King of Terror coming from the skies Nostradamus prophecy is in reference to one of the
missile attacks made by Clinton on the terrorists which turned Afganistan against us. Up until then they were our allies.
These attacks awakened severe animosity in the Muslim world because at the time Clinton was being exposed for his
lusty sort of nature, causing immense revulsion in the Muslim world, due to their sensitive nature. The awakening of
the Mongols and Mars (WAR) reigning thereafter fits.

The "waiting" for an answer from the Normans means getting an answer from Norman Schwarzcopf

I count these as hits..

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From: prsp
To: net@io.dk
Cc: ayubmunir @hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:18 AM
Subject: nostradamus prophecies

I have viewed your entire site with great interest and enthusiasm, it is probably the most current and comprehensive information
site on the subject.
I have just one comment to make "Why the hell we are all caught in this doomsday scenario, probably its the effect of popular
fiction and Hollywood movies."
Where is our optimism
What happened to our beliefs
Why cant we think of some thing positive
Whether we are Christians, Jews or Muslims, we all believe in one God who is all mighty and knows it all, many a times God
did not share the secrets of his universe with his own chosen prophets, especially when they claim to know some thing about
the future. Instead of finding out the exact time of the doomsday Armageddon and arguing about the legitimacy of
Nostradamus quotes, lets pray to the God in what ever form and name we believe and pray for mercy, forgiveness and peace.
God listens to you and might change his own plans if we ask for forgiveness for the menace we have created on this planet.
Please comment
ayubmunir@ hotmail.com

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Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:51:17 -0700
From: "Mitesh Mistry" <mitesh.mistry@ gte.net>
To: <net@io.dk>


1999+2=2001 and 7th month+2=9th month....meaning both date predictions were
off by two...could be some type of clerical error.


I was just wondering, maybe the date of the seventh month in 1999 was referring to the actual plotting of the attack because as
recent news reports point, there was a lot of planning put into this attack. Just maybe a possibility.

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nostradamus
Date:
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:05:40 -0500
From:
"Lori LaRose" <llarose8@home.com>

What if we are all wrong!!!
Century 10:49
Garden of the world close to a new city.
On the road leading to man made mountains.
Shall be seized and plunged into a crater.
Being forced to drink poisonous sulphurous waters.

"Garden" State-New Jersey and "New City"-New York Or "Garden of the
world"-Paris, France and
"New City"-Paris, France. Both are located near 45 degrees I can tell you
that Bordeaux and Paris are closer than Manhattan is to 45 degrees.

Man made mountains-Skyscrapers (New York)
Man made mountains-The sprawling parks around Paris all have man made lakes
etc.

Seized- By Terrorists or seized by military force?
Plunged into a crater-The hole that was under the towers in New York that
the building collapsed into or a crater that has been created by nuclear
weaponry.

The last line of this quatrain makes me think France. Why? After the attack
on New York were there any poisonous waters to drink? No. If a nuclear
attack were to happen what water would be drinkable and it would surely be
poisonous.

If anyone wants to converse on these views please feel free to contact me at
llarose8@home.com
I have been doing some terrorist group research and I truly believe that
more groups are tied together than we could possibly realize or have been
told about. I'll even tell you where to look.


WTC Attack
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:42:20 -0700
From: "Amy Austin" <amy.austin7 @gte.net>
To: <net@io.dk>


The first thing that I notices was the date the prophecy was written, 1654, Nostradamus died in
1566. Transposition or Hoax?

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I Do Believe It's A Hoax...
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:10:59 -0500
From: "-§hUn-" <JaXa@jazzandjava.com>
To: net@io.dk


I am not a huge Nostradamus fan nor do I study his prophecies, but I have
done a little bit
of research on his prophecies about the apocalypse and so far I have not
heard of any
quatrain that includes the bit about "twin brothers" and about the "third
big war" starting
when the "big city is still burning". I have also received the emails
containing that quatrain
and I am here to tell all of you that it is a HOAX. It is not part of
Nostradamus' predictions.
It was most likely cooked up by some irresponsible people after the event.
It is true, many
people like to go to the supernatural for "comfort" when tragedies happen.
There was,
however, a prophecy by an astrologist from the Middle East that stated that
there shall be
a huge disaster in "the last quarter" of the year. This prophecy was made
last year. The
astrologist is said to be a very famous one and apparently he makes
predictions for the
following year at the end of each year. I can't help but think that perhaps
whoever is
responsible for the devastating and heartless kamikaze style attacks on the
WTC and
Pentagon might have read the prophecy and have decided to make it come
true. It's a
very disturbing thought, but it may be possible. Anyway, my point is that
Nostradamus did
not predict this incident and the emails that have been circulating were
probably written
by perhaps Nostradamus freaks who just want to make it look as though the
"great" seer
foresaw the attack.

thank you

june chua

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"City of God"
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:58:41 -0400
From: "bonnieandmike" <lee35@ alltel.net>
To: <net@io.dk>


Alright, the "City of God" in no way could be New York, if so How? Just Think about what goes on around there. The city of
God I think would have to be a holy place that God loves....maybe Jerusalum

[ANSWER: ACTUALLY NOSTRADAMUS NEVER MENTIONED A "CITY OF GOD" ANYWHERE IN HIS WRITINGS, AND THE 2 (ROYAL) BROTHERS ARE ONLY MENTIONED IN Q3-98, WHICH IS ONLY VAGUELY LIKE THE CIRCULATED E-MAIL.]

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This e-mail going around....
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:08:03
From: "Timothy Nizza" <timnizza@ hotmail.com>
To: net@io.dk

For all yuo people who are worried about this e-mail... you know the one...
it's a fraud... have you noticed the date on it??? Nostradamus 1654??? I
thought he died in 1566... correct me if I'm wrong...[Well, maybe Nostradamus just was a greater prophet than anybody thought]
Timothy J. Nizza

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Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:08:28 EDT
ICP2118@cs. co

What other predictions did Nostradomus predict for this year
[WELL, WHO KNOWS. NOSTRADAMUS' PREDICTIONS ARE REALLY ONLY RECOGNIZED IN RETROSPECT]

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bumbling interpreters
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:57:41 -0500
From: "greg smith" <caitsith0523@ hotmail.com>
To: net@io.dk


"In the seventh month of the new millenium,
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
two brothers torn apart by chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
the third great war will begin while the city burns."
-unknown

Regarding Nostradamus' "suprisingly accurate" predictions:

This increasingly popular quote seems to be VERY loosely derived from
Nostradamus' 72nd Quatrain of the Tenth Century, which is often translated
something like this:

The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a King of Terror
To bring back to life the great Mongol King,
Before and after war shall reign contentedly.

Firstly, I would question as to where this "translation" of Nostradamus'
works came from. There are flaws. A more unbiased and accurate translation
would require that one look to the earliest possible french text. For this,
I highly recommend going to:

http://run.to/nostradamus
OR
http://digilander.iol.it/mariothegreat/nostradamus/decima%20centuria/c10q72.htm

At the former, one may find all of Nostradamus' predictions in their
earliest recorded form.

Next, the translator of the text would have to be translating without
alterior motive (in other words, he shouldn't be trying to fit the
prediction to the event, and the horse before the carriage). And finally,
one should try to utilize historic events to recompense for further
discrepencies or ambiguities in the text.

Therefore, let us look at the earliest (1568) text:

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf Sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.

The first thing one notices is that "deffraieur" DOES NOT contain an
apostrophe, indicating that the quatrain has no reference to "un grand Roy
d'effraieur" (or the king of terror). Indeed, "deffraieur," as defined by a
16th century dictionary (Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
actually refers to some "host" figure who "provides us with what we need for
the road." A more modern dictionary takes the word and translates it as one
who must "bear the burden of expenses" (Merriam-Webster,1994). However, the
mere fact that he used this word rather than a synonym would suggest that he
intended it to have a certain duality. Possessing both meanings at once.

Secondly, "du ciel" means literally "from the skies" or "from the heavens,"
indicating that the aforementioned host/king has some divine power or
appointment. This is far from the pop-culture "evil descension..."

Next, we look at "le Roy d'Angolmois." Although commonly translated as the
Mongol-King, it has recently become more clear that Nostradamus had actually
intended King François I of France, formerly known as FRANÇOIS
D'ANGOULÊME (modern text, hence the slight spelling difference). Without
going into the gory details, François fainted while in Madrid, Spain and
lapsed into a coma. However, upon the Holy Roman Emporer ("grand Roy du
Ciel"), under the divine sanction of the Pope, performed last rites over
him. Suddenly, François recovered, and soon went back to his kingly
business. The "grand Roy du Ciel" had resuscitated the "grand Roy
d'Angolmois."

Nostradamus did NOTHING but observe this "miraculous" event and decide to
attempt and predict the next time that it would happen. He did so by
aligning planets and stars with Madrid, and came up with March of 1999
(which, by the way, was slightly faulty for a couple of reasons which I
shall not go into for the time being). So "Mars" is not refering to the
warrior god, as previously thought, but rather merely the month of march.

Therefore, let us attempt to piece together the quatrain with a rhyme scheme
typical of Nostradamus' style:

When 1999 is seven months o'er
Shall heaven's great King - albeit a dread host, he -
Restore the King from Angoumois once more,
Ere - after March - he'll reign propitiously.

----------FURTHERMORE:----------
The much acclaimed prophecy of the fall of New York City, which has been
circulating through e-mails in the previous days, WAS NEVER WRITTEN BY
NOSTRADAMUS OR HIS FOLLOWERS. Most likely, it was written either by someone
soon after the horrific event witnessed on Tuesday, or it was written by
someone with prior knowledge of the event.

This creative prose was probably set forth based upon the above passage
(X.72) by some blithering idiot. It is apparent that the masses will cling
to such things, however, merely because of the chaos they experience. It is
natural human tendency to cling to some form of organization (especially of
the occult) during times of great stress or misunderstanding.

I should hope that this should help to clear up the myths that have been
circulating; if for no other reason, merely to ease my own troubled
conscience. I shall end, simply, on this note: The world has not fallen, the
terrorists have not and can not win, and it is to the quality of life itself
that we must now attend. Adieu.

-gregory smith

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10-72...
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:10:38 -0400
From: Frank Perfetto <fperfett@ interserv.com>
To: net@io.dk


Try 10-82 instead. I think that describes the incidents of the planes
very closely.

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Nostradamus
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:05:44 +0200
From: "Gody Keijzer" <gody@inno cent.com>


Hi there, my 2 cents.

I don't beleive so much that C10:Q72 refers to the tragic incident in the
USA.

Then this one can apply too.
C10:Q82

Cries, weeping, tears will come with knives,
Seeming to flee, they will deleiver a final attack,
Parks around to set up high platforms,
The living pushed back and murdered instantly.

No need to explain why this could be appropriate. Again, you can read
everything in everything.
Sincerely Yours,

G. Keijzer

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Nostradamus cont'd
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:48:29 +1200
From: "J. Rapley" <jacqueline.r@xtra.co. nz>
To: net@io.dk



Just read your website and yes, one does need to be somewhat cynical,
all things considered. The book I have is Nostradamus 1: Countdown to
Aplocalypse by Jean-Charles de Fontbrune, published by Pan Books in
1983. This book seems to refer to the millennium we've just left behind
and apparently Pan published another book Nostradamus 2: Into the 21st
Century.

The book has plenty of explanatory footnotes to each intepretation, and
I believe the internet has been inundated with quotes from Nostradmus
since the attack on the New York. However, the events of the past few
days compelled me to get the book out and I came across this
"prediction" (the date intrigued me):

"Pleurer le ciel ail cela fait faire
La mer s'appreste. Annibal fait ses ruses:
Denys mouille classe tarde ne taire
N'a sceu secret et a quoy tu t'amuses
Presage 11, September
and the translation is:

"To see the sky weep prompts a wail of sorrow.
The war fleets prepare. The Moslem leader plans
his tricks. [The Pope] swirls up at [St]-Denis.
The army will delay mobilizing because no-one will
know what is secretly brewing, and during that time
people will be enjoying themselves."

Someone at work mentioned today that the suspected culprit behind the
US attack might have read Nostradamus' prediction and made it come true.
It was meant as a bit of satire to lighten the mood!

Regards, Jackie.

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Nostradamus Predicts NYC Attack = HOAX!!!!! Proof Enclosed!
Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:18:00 -0700
"Angelus Carnifex" <angeluscarnifex@home. com
<net@io.dk>


It is disturbing to hear people tell me that even the Pentagon is releasing statements verifying these
Nostradamus rumors. Don't you think CNN, NBC, ABC News, or any of the other countless television and
internet news services would carry such a press release? Note that you will not find any such release on ANY
major news site on the internet. Such a shame people believe these urban legends in the making when just a
slight bit of research and these terrified people might not have been so gullible. Nostradamus fits many
disasters simply because his prophecies are so vague. Had he truly been so gifted as to see the future,
would he really have chosen to be so vague and cryptic? I sincerely doubt it, besides...if Nostradamus had
been so accurate, why is NO ONE able to see any of the supposed predictions coming before hand? Just
something to think about before we all give in to fear, paranoia, and just plain BAD JUDGEMENT.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

Ps. PLEASE use this site often, as snopes.com proves and disproves e-mail hoaxes all the time. They are very
useful in telling whether or not you "Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe" e-mails are really worth the bytes they're
printed on. :

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Prediction
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:18:40 -0700
From: "JiggaBoo" <bluzsister96@ dreamnet.cc>
To: <net@io.dk>


All this about the effect of the date....maybe think about it in terms of his writing...century 9 quatrain 11 says...

Wrongly will they come to put the just one to death,
In public and in the middle extinguished:
So great a pestilence will come to arise in this place,
That the judges will be forced to flee

Wrongly, they bombed the WTC n pentagon

in broad daylight, and during morning rush for everyone to see...

Such a pestilence, emptied federal buildings, and even made the president hide.

thats just my opinion, i could be wrong...

--Ryan

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Nostradamus' predictions
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:06:30 -0400
From: "mdbez" <mdbez@ gateway.net>

I find it amusing that people have jumped on this bandwagon for the WTC.
Many of you have facts wrong, such as attributing a prediction form a date
after Nostradamus died in 1566. So, be careful out there, the info is not
all that accurate. And, you didn't know that?!! mark

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Is this a preditction that was made by NOSTRADAMUS
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:37:29 -0600
From: Matt Kentala <Matt.Kentala@ ftc.CenterPartners.com>


Here's something a little coincidental:

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two Brothers [WTC?] torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress [pentagon?] endures,
the great leader will succumb.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
In the year of the new century and nine months,
>From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city....
-Nostradamus 1654
2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month.
New York is located at the 45th degree Latitude.
It sounds like he predicted this for a different century but it makes sense.
I have just been looking for this prediction and couldn't find it, I was
just wondering if it was a prediction, or if someone made it up. After you
read this if you don't mind giving me an email back and letting me know what
you think.
Thanks in advance,
matt kentala

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Fw: nostradamus
Sun, 27 Sep 1981 18:59:47 -0700
"Jeff Holley" <cte44283@centurytel. net>


I am writing after reading a post about a quatraine left on this website,
I can also see another way to interpret this:

"wrongly will they come to put just one to death" Osama Bin Laden (perhaps he is suggesting he is not responsible) I don't
know.

"In public and in the middle extinguished" In front of the whole world a middle eastern country defeated.

"So great a pestilence will come to rise in this place" Perhaps he hints to the use of chemical, nuclear or biological weapons.

"That the judges will be forced to flee" Judges being the countries who attack, fleeing because of the destruction done.

I may be (and I hope I am way off base here) but after reading it, that interpretation just jumped out at me. I have never followed
Nostradamus predictions avidly, they are intresting however. I am planning on trying to rent a movie about him this weekend.

Drop me a line and let me know what u think.....

Later,
Jeff
All this about the effect of the date....maybe think about it in terms of his writing...century 9 quatrain 11 says...

Wrongly will they come to put the just one to death,
In public and in the middle extinguished:
So great a pestilence will come to arise in this place,
That the judges will be forced to flee

Wrongly, they bombed the WTC n pentagon

in broad daylight, and during morning rush for everyone to see...

Such a pestilence, emptied federal buildings, and even made the president hide.

thats just my opinion, i could be wrong...

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Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:41:07 EDT
From: Emzcruz@aol. com
To: <net@io.dk>


I was wondering if you can help me I received this email, how accurate is it:

Subject: Fw: Nostradamus' theory..peep this craziness
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while
the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The
third big war will begin when the big city is burning." - Nostradamus 1654
the flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were numbered
as follows:
11, 93, 175, and 77
11 = Today's Date
9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday
7+7 = 14 = Friday

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nostradomus MN
Date:
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
From:
lucky lxe <lxemag@yahoo.com>



I am from Minnesota and the Quatrain that scares ME is
#97 from century VI: Translated from french to:
AT FORTY FIVE DEGREES, THE SKY WILL BURN
FIRE APPROACHES THE NEW CITY, A HUGE TOUNG OF FLAME
LEAPS,
WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO TEST THE NORMANS.

Everyone thinks this "new city" is New york but to
Nostradomus all the cities in the USA are "new".
Minneapolis happens to be the ONLY big city DIRECTLY
ON 45 degrees. PLUS the "normans" could also be taken
as VIKINGS, which happen to be minnesota's prid and
joy NFL team. OK maybe I am crazy but if the dodo
does hit the fan around here no one can say we wern't
warned. Peace,LXE

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1654??? He was dead then
Date:
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:58:56 -0400
From:
"Chad Portenga" <cp@ portenga.com>
To:
<net@io.dk>




Many visitors are stating that he made a prediction of the WTC back in 1654. HE DIED IN 1566 as this site explains
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/nostradamus.html . the circulating email is a hoax.

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two brothers hoax
Date:
Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:50:05 +1000
From:
"Patricia Mason" <trishnason@ iprimus.com.au>


I want to know how such a prediction (two brothers hoax) got around the world so quickly and new york is actually at 40.5
degrees lattitude
p.s. keep wondering


Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:52:25 +0900
From: "Manju George" <gregormm@ hotmail.com>
To: <net@io.dk>


how can i get nostrodamus prediction in script or a book.
please reply

MM george

&
hey...
Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:56:11 +0530
From:
"Thiruvengadam, Prathipa (CORP, GEITC)" <Prathipa.T@ geind.ge.com>

Hey,

iam more interested in learning a book on his predictions. Could you help me
buying that.

thank you

[ANSWER: Books: "Nostradamus Life and Literature", 1961/ "Nostradamus and his Prophesies" 1982, 823 pages by Edgar Leoni, Bell Publishing  FOR A NEUTRAL ACCOUNT.     Damon Wilson: Nostradamus and other Prophets" 1999 WHICH ISA BIT  TOO POSITIVE TOWARDS NOSTRADAMUS.]

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WTC sept 2001 predictions?
13 Sep 2001 17:07:28 -000
"Shadow Star" <shadow_star@ team-rocket.net

Hi!

I read that someone e-mailed you, asking if Nostradamus' prediction of the WTC attack was a
hoax or for real.

I used to have a Nostradamus predictions book, and i distinctly remember reading that same
quatrain. It bugged the heck out of me that I couldnt figure out who the "two brothers"
were! it's very eerie to see it happen. That prediction is not a hoax. maybe if we
interpret the rest of his predictions correctly, we can prepare ourselves for the war that
we are now in. (Referring to the Bible wouldn't hurt, either!)

--Shadow_Star

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Re: Nostradamus and Predictions
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:34:29 +0530
From: "Sekhar's Mail" <captsekh@ md3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <net@io.dk>

With all these interpretations of Nostradamus being weighed against events
that actually took place, one thought crosses the mind.
If a mortal (and whoever Nostradamus was, he was a Mortal, was he not?)
could actually see and predict the events of the furture, it lends
credibility to the theory that the future is already ordained and should we
(mere) mortals TRY we might actually come to know how to be a Nostradamus :)

 

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Nostradamus
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:32:24 -0500
From: "Stephanie" <sagemoonspirit@ yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I received the email below and wondered if you knew if this is a real quatrain or perhaps another hoax like the "village idiot?"

Thank you for your time,

Stephanie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In one of the channels on Irc that my brother frequents, they brought up a
prophesy that In one of the channels on Irc that my brother frequents, they brought up a
prophesy that Nostradamus spoke in 1654. The quote follows with their
interpretations in () :"The City of God (New York) there will be a great
thunder (collapsing of the towers or the impact of the airplanes against
those towers), two brothers torn apart by chaos (the two twin towers or, from
a few point of views, Christianity and Islamic), while the fortress endures
(U.S. or the Pentagon), the great leader will succumb (whoever is responsible
for this or our own leader, GW Bush), the third great war will begin while
the big city (again, New York) is burning."
spoke in 1654. The quote follows with their
interpretations in () :"The City of God (New York) there will be a great
thunder (collapsing of the towers or the impact of the airplanes against
those towers), two brothers torn apart by chaos (the two twin towers or, from
a few point of views, Christianity and Islamic), while the fortress endures
(U.S. or the Pentagon), the great leader will succumb (whoever is responsible
for this or our own leader, GW Bush), the third great war will begin while
the big city (again, New York) is burning."

 

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NY WTC SEPT 2001 prediction?
Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:23:00 -0300
"Jorge E. Suarez" <jesuarez@  sinectis. com.ar>
Organization:
MiCasa


Sorry, but the WTC diabolic terrorists could be a good Nostradamus
readers and only follows what he suggest.

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Quatrain 6,5
Date:
Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:24:11 -0400
From:
Robert Stricklin <rstricklin@lrp.com>

Quatrain 6,5
Great famine through a pestilent wave,
through long rain the length of the arctic pole:
Samarobrin
[or Samarobryn (or variant Samatobryn) or in Latin Samarobriva. ed.-] one hundred leagues from the hemisphere,
They will live without law, exempt from politics.

Samarobrin is an anagram for Osama Bin (Laden).
  [Clever! ed.-] The "pestilent wave"
suggests biological warfare unleashed by air (long rain) from a northern
location approximately 250 miles away (Canada?). The last line aptly
describes Bin Laden's network of terrorists.

Robert Stricklin

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question I would like to see.. if you have the answer
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:51:48 -0500
From: "Euar" <elouk@ austin.rr.com>

The year 1999, seventh month,
>From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great Mongol King,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.

When did Osamar bin Laden arrive in Afganistan? and How ?
[In 1996] <by aircraft ?>
Before 1999 - the Gulf War
After 1999 WTC
Too many people are looking for the horror in the message. What if its
simply a list ?

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Nostradamus is wrong?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:53:02 EDT
From: "Michael Sparks" <lostinspace20@ hotmail.com>


I think it would be better to say that the so called experts who are
interpeting the quatrains who are wrong!
Mike

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Nostradamus 911 Terror prediction ?
Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:33:33 -0700
From: "Subhash Garg" <sooku@ hotmail.com>
To: <net@io.dk>
CC: <sitara1124@ hotmail.com>

Hello there

You seem well informed on this. Is it true that Nostradamus "predicted" planes flying into towers and killing thousands ? If so,
did he give a date ? And if he gave a date, why were the people that knew of the prediction silent until after the event took place
? Did the FBI know of the prediction and not act on it ?

I've just read over a hundred of his "predictions" from the "translator" Dolores Cannon - mostly a rehash of Western anxieties of
the 1960's and 1970's - and I don't see anything about 911 yet.

Thank you so much for your help !

Subhash Garg

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Postings to you on Cybercity...
Date:
Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:17:10 -0400
From:
pjackson@cust omer forever.com


Hello,

I ran across the postings to you about "two brothers" from a general
internet search. Could you please send me any links or information that
you may have about the "prophecy" that these posters are eluding too.

I am looking for the actual "prophecy", if it exists, because my
brother, Chris, who flies 737's for Continental airlines, shared this
message with me last night. I wish to find out if the quatrain is true
as he has taken it literally and is very bothered by the message! He
flies again this Saturday.

Very sincerely yours,
Paul.

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Other Relavent Facts about WTC Date
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
Chris Scheidt <mandolor@  yahoo.com>

Okay, We look at the date of the attack. September, 11
On September 11, 1609 Manhattan Island was Founded

also

On September 11, 1941 Was the day the Pentagon was
decided to be constructed.

Coincidence? I think so

Chris S
Monroe, Ohio USA

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Nostradamus and Sept 11th, 2001
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:24:20 -0700
From: "Waldemar Kowalski" <waldemar.kowalski@  ncag.edu>
To: <net@io.dk>

to add to the current discussion:

You can check out the full text of Nostradamus' prophecies in english
translation at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9959/centur.htm. (You
may find it difficult to get on there, since it's currently overloaded. When
you get there, the format used for the prophecies is the standard among
Nostradamus scholars and fans - cx:qx, where cx = the century and qx = the
quatrain in the prophecy.)

Anyway, if you do get there and search on the supposed text given above,
you'll find that what's been sent on the internet is *hugely* garbled. The
supposed source is c10:q72 (10th Century, 72nd quatrain), which points to
events in the seventh month of 1999, and that doesn't match (although some
individuals suggest that N had a different calendar - if so, then he
switched between them at will...) No mention anywhere in all of his
prophecies whatsoever of the 11th day, no mention of metal birds, no mention
of a third war nor of the "big city burning" (c2:81, which is from a
different century, refers to a city which almost burned; c5:q8 from yet
another century refers to a city afire, though it happens by night and the
city is reduced to dust by a fleet; and c6:q97 talks about the sky burning
and approaching the great new city; etc. - but remember, all of these are
from discrete OTHER centuries and prophecies, and none accurately reflect
the internet message being passed around). c1:q85 refers to the death of two
brothers, but not in the context of a city of god nor of fortresses, great
leaders, or any of the rest of it.

In short, the only way to get the supposed prophecy out of N's writings is
to skip around and select words almost at random. (I've also checked this in
the original French - doesn't work any better there...) I would suggest that
one could almost as well claim that a dictionary is a book of prophecy:
after all, every event which has ever occurred can be described by selecting
and arranging words found in it...

God knew the events of September 11th, 2001 in advance, but N clearly did
not. As a Christian, in terms of putting my faith somewhere, I think I'll
stick with the God of the Bible, rather than trusting in prophets who can't
get their facts straight! In times like these we need to know whom we can
really trust.

waldemar kowalski

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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:57:10 +0100
From:
"sue guy" <sue@sguy54.fsnet.co.uk>

some on said that they saw the article in the news paper
about the 'twin brothers' thing and them falling and stuff
well, after that message it says that it wasn't actually
Nostradamus that it was a hoax made up in 1990's. Well
they got it pretty god damn right didn't they!!! did anyone
ever think of that...so this prediction seems to be better than
any of Nostradamus predictions!!!!!!!!!!! SCARY.

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nostradamus right not wrong
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:58:02 EDT
From: BISHOPJHH@ aol.com


It all depends on interpretation. Consider this one about the papacy.
"After the see has been held 17 years, 5 shall change in the same time."
Question is 5 what that will change in the same time? 5 popes? 5 years? 5
what?

The only pope in history to have a 17 year reign was Pius XI, 1922-1939. The
prophecy has something to do with his reign, though not totally. In 1929,
the Roman question concerning the temporal power of the papacy was settled by
PIus XI and Mussolini, with the Lateran Treaty which recognized as a legal
sovereign state, what had been the defacto territory of the papacy since
1870, namely about 110 acres of land, mostly around St Peter's Basilica, and
a few other places in or near Rome.

If we take 1929 to 1946 as seventeen years, being the time that Italy
remained a monarchy, and during which time the Vatican City State was a tiny
monarchy within the Italian monarchy that ruled the rest of Rome, and then
reckon another 17 years, to 1963, we have the answer. For 5 years, the age
of change in the Catholic Church began, the pontificate of John XXIII, from
1958 to 1963.

Indeed, after the see has been held for 17 years (as a monarchy within a
monarchy), then the within the next 17 years, 5 years will be years of
change. Pius XII reigned from 1939 to 1958, and his last 12 years were from
1946 to 1958, when Italy was a republic, and then came the 5 years of change,
the reign of John XXIII who called the Second Vatican Council and set in
motion the events that changed the Roman Catholic Church into what it is
today.

While there is much in Nostradamus that is subtle and some of it probably not
worthy studying in detail, there is also much that does hold out, including
the prophecy of the discovery of his own grave, which occurred in 1791, as he
foretold, some 225 years earlier, the year of his death which was 1566.

jhh


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